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theamck
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posted 13-06-2006 01:44     Click Here to See the Profile for theamck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just got home from seeing "An Inconvenient Truth", Al Gore's movie, and it is a MUST SEE!! It isn't, even for a second, boring. It is terrifying, but I think everyone should see it.

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posted 13-06-2006 03:04     Click Here to See the Profile for Rona     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just watched the Colin Firth Pride and Prejudice again. Sigh.

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rustynoni
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posted 13-06-2006 04:21     Click Here to See the Profile for rustynoni     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agree, Rona!
It is on regularly at our place.

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Camille@Gaelforce
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posted 13-06-2006 07:32     Click Here to See the Profile for Camille@Gaelforce     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thea, I am eagerly watching all my local theaters to see it when it gets to my little town! I have been terrified by the implications of global climate change since the first data started coming in years ago, and I hope and pray that this movie motivates alot of people to stand up and say "Enough, we gotta DO SOMETHING!"

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Originally posted by theamck:
I just got home from seeing "An Inconvenient Truth", Al Gore's movie, and it is a MUST SEE!! It isn't, even for a second, boring. It is terrifying, but I think everyone should see it.

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rustynoni
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posted 13-06-2006 12:18     Click Here to See the Profile for rustynoni     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by theamck:
[B]I just got home from seeing "An Inconvenient Truth", Al Gore's movie, and it is a MUST SEE!!

Thea is this the Al Gore of political history? Please excuse my ignorance. I wonder if we will see it over here, or when that will be?
The World Cup soccer features prominantly at our place at the moment. I woke up in time to see Australia's late goals to win against Japan! Big news in Oz today I think.

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ellie
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posted 13-06-2006 13:16     Click Here to See the Profile for ellie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THat was such a brilliant match, Rusty! I was actually notionally supporting Japan but I loved the way the Aussies suddenly sprung in to action in the last few mins!

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aesop
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posted 13-06-2006 13:55     Click Here to See the Profile for aesop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Notionally?!?

aesop

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Originally posted by ellie:
THat was such a brilliant match, Rusty! I was actually notionally supporting Japan but I loved the way the Aussies suddenly sprung in to action in the last few mins!

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ellie
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posted 13-06-2006 14:36     Click Here to See the Profile for ellie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by aesop:
Notionally?!?

aesop


Erm... yes, notionally.

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Bronn
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posted 13-06-2006 15:02     Click Here to See the Profile for Bronn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I’ve watched more football since Friday than I have all year. Today is the first time I’ve missed a game. I’ll miss the French game this afternoon but I’ll be home for the Brazilian one. Most of the matches have been quite boring so far apart from the Italy v Ghana one last night (it has nothing to do with Totti or Del Piero either ) . I was up for Australia Rusty! Aussie Aussie Aussie! Oi oi oi!!

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ellie
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posted 13-06-2006 15:14     Click Here to See the Profile for ellie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am watching korea v Togo right now. The first half was dull but Korea have just equalized and the game is hotting up now. Togo! Togo! Togo!

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aesop
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posted 13-06-2006 15:49     Click Here to See the Profile for aesop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A rather peculiar use of the English langage. lol

aesop


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Originally posted by ellie:
Erm... yes, notionally.

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ellie
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posted 13-06-2006 16:49     Click Here to See the Profile for ellie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Makes perfect sense to me, Aesop.

'notional -
Of knowledge, philosophy, etc.: purely speculative; not based on fact or demonstration.
Inferred, supposed, or assumed to exist; conjectural; theoretical, not based on actual experience. Now also in weakened sense: nominal, token'

I was offering Japan 'token' support, merely for the purposes of having a side to cheer on whilst watching the match. This support was notional, 'not based on actual experience or fact' because I didn't really care who won.

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Marcie
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posted 13-06-2006 18:02     Click Here to See the Profile for Marcie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ellie:
'notional -
Of knowledge, philosophy, etc.: purely speculative; not based on fact or demonstration.
Inferred, supposed, or assumed to exist; conjectural; theoretical, not based on actual experience. Now also in weakened sense: nominal, token'

[This message has been edited by ellie (edited 13-06-2006).]


I like that. I sometimes get into a thinking mode just as you've described. Now I know what to call it. Notional.

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aesop
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posted 13-06-2006 21:11     Click Here to See the Profile for aesop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Makes absolutely no sense to me. I've never heard of a person offering "imaginary" support to a sporting team. Under such circumstances it would be "silly" (illogical) to offer support to either side.

BTW: You're confusing "notional" with "token". Different meaning(s) altogether.

OED: "Notional": hypothetical, imaginary...

aesop

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Originally posted by ellie:
Makes perfect sense to me, Aesop.

'notional -
Of knowledge, philosophy, etc.: purely speculative; not based on fact or demonstration.
Inferred, supposed, or assumed to exist; conjectural; theoretical, not based on actual experience. Now also in weakened sense: nominal, token'

I was offering Japan 'token' support, merely for the purposes of having a side to cheer on whilst watching the match. This support was notional, 'not based on actual experience or fact' because I didn't really care who won.

[This message has been edited by ellie (edited 13-06-2006).]


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aesop
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posted 13-06-2006 21:16     Click Here to See the Profile for aesop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As long as the word is used in the right context according to the meaning of the word.
BTW: The word "notion" reminds me of that wonderful film, "Sometimes a Great Notion" with Henry Fonda and Paul Newman. I highly recommend it to film buffs.

aesop


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Originally posted by Marcie:
I like that. I sometimes get into a thinking mode just as you've described. Now I know what to call it. Notional.


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ellie
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posted 13-06-2006 22:46     Click Here to See the Profile for ellie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by aesop:

BTW: You're confusing "notional" with "token". Different meaning(s) altogether.

OED: "Notional": hypothetical, imaginary...

aesop


I am confusing it no more than the OED is, Aesop. As shown in ths definition of 'notional' which I quoted from the OED a couple of posts above, 'notional' has a 'weakened' meaning of 'token' -

OED:'notional -
Of knowledge, philosophy, etc.: purely speculative; not based on fact or demonstration.
Inferred, supposed, or assumed to exist; conjectural; theoretical, not based on actual experience. Now also in weakened sense: nominal, token'

It was this meaning I was using, as I made clear in the post above by saying 'I was offering Japan 'token' support.


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ellie
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posted 13-06-2006 23:03     Click Here to See the Profile for ellie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
double post

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maeve
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posted 13-06-2006 23:30     Click Here to See the Profile for maeve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aesop, lighten up! When have any of us not been correct in our terms? However, I do agree that "notional" is the poster's choice of description and why not let it go at that?

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irishgirl
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posted 14-06-2006 01:51     Click Here to See the Profile for irishgirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
we are watching the stanley cup, not the world cup.

we are rooting for edmonton, but it appears to be a lost cause.

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Originally posted by ellie:
THat was such a brilliant match, Rusty! I was actually notionally supporting Japan but I loved the way the Aussies suddenly sprung in to action in the last few mins!

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aesop
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posted 14-06-2006 01:55     Click Here to See the Profile for aesop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry maeve. When I read "notional support" for the Japanese soccer team the first word that came to mind was "balderdash"!

aesop

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Originally posted by maeve:
aesop, lighten up! When have any of us not been correct in our terms? However, I do agree that "notional" is the poster's choice of description and why not let it go at that?

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irishgirl
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posted 14-06-2006 03:23     Click Here to See the Profile for irishgirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i love it! i didn't think anyone ever really said "balderdash."

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Originally posted by aesop:
I'm sorry maeve. When I read "notional support" for the Japanese soccer team the first word that came to mind was "balderdash"!

aesop


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Judie
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posted 14-06-2006 04:12     Click Here to See the Profile for Judie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I watched the 1955 Ealing production of "The Ladykillers" starring Alec Guinness, with Peter Sellers. A really clever movie, which I thoroughly enjoyed. I've also seen the recent Tom Hanks version but enjoyed the Ealing one more.

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rustynoni
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posted 14-06-2006 09:08     Click Here to See the Profile for rustynoni     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First of all, I LOVE the term, "balderdash."
Second -- if we change the "o" in notional to an "a," then we have "national" and it could be quite appropriate to say we offered national support!
Well I did for France in that I felt a surge of nationalistic excitement for the French team -- even though I am not French of course -- but I think their anthem is fabulous, as was the lone trumpeter who burst into notes out of nowhere (well he WAS there wasn't he ) and encouraged the crowd to sing along with national pride.
I love the same fervour in the scene from Casablanca during which this is sung.
Perhaps then, it could be said that I had exhibited notional national pride by singing along with their anthem in the middle of the night???
I like reading the written ping pong on this site because you all have such sharp minds. Thanks!
Judie, I haven't seen the 1955 version -- but I really didn't like the recent one. However, to be fair, I didn't know what I was expecting to see either!

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BrianE
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posted 14-06-2006 10:27     Click Here to See the Profile for BrianE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I knew exactly what you meant, ellie. Made perfect sense to me.

rustynoni, was it you that asked about seeing Stephen Tompkinson "live" a while back? I didn't get around to replying. My Honey Laura and I saw him in "Arsenic and Old Lace" at the Strand, in 2003 I believe it was. Really enjoyed it, Michael Richards from "Seinfeld" was in it as well. Oh, makes me want to see more plays and concerts, it has always been so, well, magic. Worth the effort. Which reminds me, has anyone heard from lavenderlewis lately? It was so nice reading her posts about seeing Dervla and stuff.

Speaking of Mr Richards, I saw part of a "Seinfeld" yesterday I hadn't seen, the one where he puts on the jeans that are, well, a bit on the tight side! I see some Jerry box sets in our future.

Forgive me rambling on, blame the kidney stone I have in transit partly! And forgive me for my creative spelling and punctuation, I'm afraid I probably do lots of things that people say are their pet peeves. More and more I tend to type like I talk, contractions and words that aren't maybe words to some. Oh, Chuck, I say "snuck", sorry, sorry, sorry! One of those things that sounds better to me that way, instead of "sneaked". "Lit" sounds better than "lighted" to me as well, perhaps there's a trend!

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posted 14-06-2006 12:27     Click Here to See the Profile for Judie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Several years ago, I took a course in children's literature. My professor edited the work and changed sneaked to snuck. It really surprised me. I had always assumed that sneaked was the correct word. Maybe they are interchangable. Aesop?

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aesop
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posted 14-06-2006 12:31     Click Here to See the Profile for aesop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That was the golden era for British cinema. Britain made so many great films during the 50's and early 60's.

aesop


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Originally posted by Judie:
I watched the 1955 Ealing production of "The Ladykillers" starring Alec Guinness, with Peter Sellers. A really clever movie, which I thoroughly enjoyed. I've also seen the recent Tom Hanks version but enjoyed the Ealing one more.

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Judie
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posted 14-06-2006 12:42     Click Here to See the Profile for Judie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suppose I could have checked before I posted. Anyway...
http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/usage/snuck?view=uk

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aesop
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posted 14-06-2006 12:50     Click Here to See the Profile for aesop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indeed! My first thoughts were that it was a spelling error and should have read "national" which would at least have made some sense. The beauty of the English language is that there are so many words from which to choose in order to add clarity to a sentence. It's one thing for a master of the English language like Churchill or Lawrence to embellish their writing but for the average person one should strive to be succinct, accurate and logical in their choice of words rather than risk misunderstanding on the part of the reader.

aesop

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Originally posted by rustynoni:
First of all, I LOVE the term, "balderdash."
Second -- if we change the "o" in notional to an "a," then we have "national" and it could be quite appropriate to say we offered national support!
Well I did for France in that I felt a surge of nationalistic excitement for the French team -- even though I am not French of course -- but I think their anthem is fabulous, as was the lone trumpeter who burst into notes out of nowhere (well he WAS there wasn't he ) and encouraged the crowd to sing along with national pride.
I love the same fervour in the scene from Casablanca during which this is sung.
Perhaps then, it could be said that I had exhibited notional national pride by singing along with their anthem in the middle of the night???
I like reading the written ping pong on this site because you all have such sharp minds. Thanks!
Judie, I haven't seen the 1955 version -- but I really didn't like the recent one. However, to be fair, I didn't know what I was expecting to see either!

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posted 14-06-2006 14:00     Click Here to See the Profile for Marcie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah, Brian - I hope you're feeling better soon. Kidney stones are no fun. When I was an EMT, I went on a call to one of our Firefighter's homes for that complaint. His pain was excruciating, and it was very humbling to see a bear of a man reduced to jelly (and tears). I hope you haven't been and don't get to that point.

As for snuck vs. sneaked, or lit vs. lighted, or notional vs. national, three words: big deal. Discussing word etymologies is interesting and mentally stimulating. Picking nits is not. Overcriticalness has a nasty side-effect of inhibiting and even extinguishing sincere, meaningful, on-topic dialogue, and it serves no positive purpose.

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posted 14-06-2006 14:36     Click Here to See the Profile for ellie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by BrianE:
I knew exactly what you meant, ellie. Made perfect sense to me.

Forgive me rambling on, blame the kidney stone I have in transit partly! And forgive me for my creative spelling and punctuation, I'm afraid I probably do lots of things that people say are their pet peeves. More and more I tend to type like I talk, contractions and words that aren't maybe words to some. Oh, Chuck, I say "snuck", sorry, sorry, sorry! One of those things that sounds better to me that way, instead of "sneaked". "Lit" sounds better than "lighted" to me as well, perhaps there's a trend!


Thanks Brian, and I hope your not feeling too poorly - I understand kidney stones can be very painful.

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posted 14-06-2006 14:59     Click Here to See the Profile for CRKollector     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Marcie!!! Just this moring I was thinking how interesting and informative this - and other similar discussions have been - but I admit to feeling that we are all now going to be graded, perhaps only privately, but graded none the less! Inhibiting indeed!

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Originally posted by Marcie:
As for snuck vs. sneaked, or lit vs. lighted, or notional vs. national, three words: big deal. Discussing word etymologies is interesting and mentally stimulating. Picking nits is not. Overcriticalness has a nasty side-effect of inhibiting and even extinguishing sincere, meaningful, on-topic dialogue, and it serves no positive purpose.

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posted 14-06-2006 14:59     Click Here to See the Profile for theamck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Marcie, for a reasoned response to all this word-play. I wish we could have a separate thread for it, and use the threads for their original intents.

Brian! Blast those kidney stones! (isn't that one of the ways they get treated - with lasers?) Please feel well soon!

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posted 14-06-2006 15:46     Click Here to See the Profile for nothrpuckr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Marcie:
As for snuck vs. sneaked, or lit vs. lighted, or notional vs. national, three words: big deal.

I agree, Marcie. The discussions are fun, and I love language discussions, but there is a place for them. When they become intense, the participants become defensive and nothing is accomplished.

BTW, what's the third word? Is it one of those words that don't belong in a public forum?

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posted 14-06-2006 15:55     Click Here to See the Profile for rustynoni     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, Sorry.
My post about national and notional was meant to be humorous -- not self-serving or critical, in any way, shape or form -- and to to provide some more levity to the conversation here.
I just thought it was interesting what a difference one letter makes to a word! Like Snuck or Snook.
It is never my intention to poke fun at anyone's contribution or to grade people. I would never presume to take any of you on over word derivation knowledge etc. etc.
I tried to use smilies to this effect.
I actually agree with Ellie's idea of notional support meaning token support or a detached form of support.
My apologies -- I was not intending to nit pick. I did think it was an interesting conversation, and I learned a lot from it.

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Oh, Brian, I am so sorry you are dealing with a kidney stone, my Dad had to fight that battle several times in his life! The pain is beyond excruciating, from what I saw. Take care of yourself, I hope the docs are giving you good meds!

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I didn't mean to hurt any feelings over the word "snuck." I was just venting about a pet peeve. Each of you must be your own authority as to your own usage.

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quote:
Originally posted by irishgirl:
we are watching the stanley cup, not the world cup. we are rooting for edmonton, but it appears to be a lost cause.

Doesn't seem like a lost cause, yet! What a game last night. Like Irish & her husband, I am rooting for Edmonton. I think it'd be great for a Canadian team to win. Who thinks of hockey when they think of the Carolinas?

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yep, a great game. seems impossible that they can now win two more in a row, especially without roloson (a former minnesota wild goalie). but maybe....
at least they're fighting the good fight.

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Originally posted by nothrpuckr:
Doesn't seem like a lost cause, yet! What a game last night. Like Irish & her husband, I am rooting for Edmonton. I think it'd be great for a Canadian team to win. Who thinks of hockey when they think of the Carolinas?

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I finally got to see Kurosawa's Rashomon. I taped it from the Turner Classic Movies channel and watched it this afternoon. Very well made and fascinating. I like the fact that even the dead man got to tell his side of the story!

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Brian - I get kidney stones every few years. VERY painful. Believe it or not, drinking beer helps. Really, I'm not making that up!

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